Here are my 3 year old pair of Lucy Monacleds this year. I'm incubating the egss at 84 degrees. She laid the 17 eggs with 2 being bad on the Jan. 16.

Sweet I have a pair coming yes?

Randy

Yes you do Randy. As soon as they have eaten a couple of meals dude.

Nice!!! In Europe there are a lot of people selling leucistic monacled cobras but they are almost allways Suphan monacled cobras... These are awesome! Really white cobras are cool!

What is the color of the eyes of these animals?

Blue eyes. Adults are solid white. I also have (Blizzard) phase Monacled cobras that are solid white with red eyes.

I just love these.

They are down to 400 bucks now at Diamonds.

A couple years more and I will buy some like Albinos :=

Beautiful animals mate, congrats!

Very nice, congrats!

Congrats, Jason, and good luck incubating the eggs.
However, i can't see really pure white snakes on your pictures - these kaouthia ain't leucistic.
They have a light, brownish pigmentation on each scale and especially on the head - and on the base of my experiences, these pigmentations will still increase.

Best regards
Peter

Sorry my pictures aren't that great but THESE ANIMALS ARE LEUCISTIC!!! If you would like to get on a plane and fly here I would gladly like to prove you wrong!! These LEUCISTIC Monacleds came from Mitch at Diamond Reptile Breeders and if you like call him! DO you own any Leucistic? These pictures were taken on a cell phone, but your tellin me the pic with the female on the eggs doesn't look Leucistic?? Please!

It is quite obvious from these photos that these snakes are leucistic. Yes, they have coloration on the head scales but most leucistic snakes have that.

If the snake is mostly white with blue eyes, it is leucistic, period. Also, the snake above will not change color at all, it is an adult female!

The snakes Mr.Zurcher is "used to" are probably the Suphans in Europe being labeled as leucistics. I have been sold one of these when I was in USA as leucistic and it was an obvious suphan. After a lot of legal threatening and lawyer phone calls, I managed to get my money back.

I am quoting one of my old posts for some info.

M.Yasin Cakmak wrote:

Guys I do not know if this is an old discussion and if there is more knowledge about the subject that was not discussed here but here is what I think about the whole ordeal. I am a geneticist and there has been some good discussion about the genetics of this subject here. It is clear to all that Suphan form is a recessive genetic mutation. Suphan Cobras and Monocled cobras breed, produce viable and fertile offspring and they look like monocled cobras as demonstrated perfectly on page two by 33 beautiful babies (congrats!). A breeder from Europe sold me a so called "Leucistic" when I was in USA. It was cheaper than what Diamond Reptile Breeders offered so I jumped on it as every poor fool student would do but I was crashed when I saw the snake as it was a whitish/bone colored Suphan. The breeder tried to justify his reasoning by sending pictures of the siblings and they looked like normal kaouthia so he claimed my snake could not have been a Suphan. Of course I was aware of Suphan form being recessive so I didn`t buy the whole lie. Lawyer friends got mixed in and I got my money back. So bone colored Suphans, however "light" they are, are not Leucistics. As for as I know the real Leucistic gene shows another phenotype in addition to the white skin that we associate with Leucistics and that phenotype is the blue eye color. So it should be easy to figure out if a snake is in fact a Leucistic or a Suphan. When i got the false Lucy, I asked Diamond reptiles to learn where they got their real Leucistics and the guy in charge told me that they got 2 wild caught babies over ten years ago from Tailand and their snakes have no relation with the Suphans "labeled and sold" as Leucistics here in good old Europe. So if your Cobra is white, getting whiter by age (not getting bone colored like Suphans) and have dark blue eyes, chances are you got a true Leucistic. Of course, here we face another problem: What about Albino Suphans being sold as Albino Leucistics and real Red eyed Leucistics? In this case it is really easy to get fooled as these snakes all look quite similar. The only difference I can notice is that Suphans get a bit orangish with age and red eyed Leucistics get whiter. Here is a little summary of my understanding: Code for Normal Color allele in relation to Suphan mutation: S Code for Suphan Color allele: s Code for Normal color allele in relation to Albino mutation: A Code for albino color: a Code for Normal color allele in relation to Leucistic mutation: L Code for Leucistic color allele: l Code for Normal color allele in relation to Sunset mutation: U Code for Sunset color allele: u -Suphan= Genotype: Homozygous recessive for Suphan (ss) Phenotype: Regular Eyes, bone colored body -Albino Suphan= Genotype: Homozygous recessive for both Suphan and Albino (ss aa) Phenotype:Faint Orange Color, Red eyes -Leucistic Monocled= Genotype: Homozygous recessive for Leucistic (ll) Phenotype: Blue eyes, pure white color. -Red eyed Leucistic= Genotype: Homozygous recessive for Leucistic and Sunset (ll uu) Phenotype: Red eyes, pure white color. Normal: Genetoype= Can be a lot of combinations Heterozygous or homozygous. (From SS LL AA UU to Ss Ll Aa Uu etc) Phenotype: Regular monocled cobra

Hey Peter,

These animals are Leucistic. Like Jason said, the pics were all taken with a cheaper Blackberry phone, and the photos of the adults breeding was taken through the glass of the cage.

There is NO brownish pigmentation on the scales. The interstitial skin is slightly darker as usual, but in the photo of the female on the eggs, there are 8 eggs laid, so she still had 9 more in her, making her body fatter, showing the darker interstitial skin.

Guenter can explain if need be, that amature photos often may not show true colors in subjects, especially when using a $30US Blackberry phone, and bad lighting.

These are definitely Leucistic Monacled Cobras. I know Jason and I've know Mitch for almost 10 years. I am one of the few people Mitch allows to come to his home and see his snakes.

Randy

Congrats Jason!

Congratulation to the clutch!
That is one beautiful looking kaouthia.

Regards ,
Karl

Calm down please, Jason.

Of course you don't have to share my opinion - on the other hand i'm allowed to post it here.
And no, i don't own any leucistics ( it's a pity) - but I have seen a few of'em - and i own the same kaouthias you're presenting here.

Even these pictures have been taken with a cell phone - they show the eggs to be pure white, but not the snakes.
Believe me, there's quite a difference beween real leucistics and your snakes.

I'm sorry about that, but let's try to talk about it in a friendly manner, okay?

Best regards
Peter

Thank you for the CONGRATS everyone!!

Here is another example of a leucistic venomous snake with darker head scales.

I'm Laughing at the ignorance that I'm seeing here!! I know what I have!! This is one of the reasons why I took so long to join a forum. When people dont know what their talking about and try to act like they do it causes IGNORANCE!!! Again CALL MITCH AT DIAMOND REPTILES and ask him about the Monacleds I've purchased!! PERIOD!!!!

By the way Peter, I would like to see your pictures of your SUPHANS to justify this response. Shall we?

Lets put pictures where it counts!!!

M.Yasin Cakmak, thanks for having knowledge on these animals as there is hope. As stated these animals have BLUE eyes and came from Mitch as well as my other rare color morphs. My collection of Monacleds came from Mitch's holdbacks and cream of the crop.

You have a pm, Jasonmany thanks
Benjamin

Yet if it has blue eyes, it is leucistic. Blue eye color is tied to the leucistic gene with white cobras.

I have to see the animal that you talk about but it might have been a real white suphan or another strain of white animal. To be white, you do not need to be Leucistic. Check the ball python world, they have several different strains of white snakes.

Peter,

If you see the snakes in person you will see the actual color. When you take a photo with a US$30 mobile phone, in bad lighting, you WILL NOT get perfectly true coloration.

I am very surprised that you do not understand that this. But, by the same token, the female on the eggs does look like a Leucistic, and does not show brownish pigmentation, but just bad color from a cheap mobile phone camera in bad lighting.