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ronlilley Newbie

 Number of posts: 12 Age: 58 Location: Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia Points: 837 Registration date: 2010-03-03
 | Subject: False 'eyes' on a krait? Fri 19 Mar - 15:59 | |
| I wasn't sure where to post this question, but here goes. The black krait (Bungarus candidus) I have been talking about on other threads appears to have false red 'eye' markings on its (whitish) lower jaw. I first took these for injuries caused when it ate a wolf snake recently, but no, these markings are definitely there (see photo if I am able to attach it). Interestingly, the kraitactually turned its head upside down as it struck the wolf snake, and did the same as it repositioned its self on top the wolfsnake's head. Notice also that the wolf snake has biten the krait on the head after it was seized. Pure speculation this, but could the krait be defending the top of it own head . That's two questions! So are there other examples of this patterning in the snake world? Or am i just imagining this all? Oh dear. Please can someone suggest to me how i can send a lo res photo of this to the forum? Others appear to have managed it! many thanks! |
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Mario Lutz Founder


 Number of posts: 1402 Age: 44 Location: Puerto Galera, Philippines Points: 3783 Registration date: 2008-03-06
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Fri 19 Mar - 20:07 | |
| _________________ Attitude, rather than disposition is more definitive of serpent behavior. From the moment they emerge into this world until they complete their life cycle, their attitude is "Don't tread on me. I am well equipped to defend myself, but content to pass through life unnoticed. I mean no harm to anything or anyone that our creator has not provided as my bill of fare; I am self sustaining and I like it that way, please pass me by." - W.E. Haast
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ronlilley Newbie

 Number of posts: 12 Age: 58 Location: Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia Points: 837 Registration date: 2010-03-03
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Fri 19 Mar - 22:12 | |
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ronlilley Newbie

 Number of posts: 12 Age: 58 Location: Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia Points: 837 Registration date: 2010-03-03
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Fri 19 Mar - 22:16 | |
| I have sent two photos of the krait, showing its 'eyes' on the underside of the lower jaw. (Thanks, Mario, for telling me how to submit photos!) Comments appreciated! |
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Markus Gottlieb Snakemaster


 Number of posts: 263 Age: 21 Location: Upper Austria Points: 1602 Registration date: 2008-08-11
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Fri 19 Mar - 22:27 | |
| Hi Cool picture, for me it sounds (and looks) possible to use it as a protection if a predator (or prey) would aim on the Kraits eyes. And it looks like a pattern (symetric), that's not an injury or something  Greetings |
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Andrew Hacket Snakemaster


 Number of posts: 445 Age: 33 Location: South Africa Points: 1861 Registration date: 2008-04-27
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Sat 20 Mar - 2:54 | |
| Ron This is fantastic ! I am working with Elapsoidea sundevalli longicauda - They also have these eyes on the lower jaw and I also thought it was fake eyes for some reason but had not come to any conclusion for their existence ? VERY interesting! I will photograph this eyes in the morning , I am sure this will be a discovery that will become a well known interesting fact for many snakes in years to come. Excellent observation.
Cheers Andrew |
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ronlilley Newbie

 Number of posts: 12 Age: 58 Location: Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia Points: 837 Registration date: 2010-03-03
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Thu 25 Mar - 18:31 | |
| Hey Andrew, I look forward to seeing your photos of the false 'eyes. I noted also that these markings are not too obvious on the resting snake, but when it is feeding and flips over, the markings , while presumably not stretching as they are on the scales of the lower jaw, do become much more obvious. I also wondered about the presence of what look like 'eyebrows' above the false eyes )look again at the pictures) . More of a mammalian characteristic than a serpentine one, no? So what could it be mimicking?? Strange also, considering these snakes tend to feed at night, (although the one I have fed with the lights on). |
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Scott Eipper Snakekeeper

 Number of posts: 44 Age: 32 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Points: 715 Registration date: 2010-08-04
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Wed 30 Mar - 17:46 | |
| The spots that are shown are present to some extent in many Australian elapids, not pigmented but from the fangs repeatedly penetrating through the bottom jaw partially.
Cheers, Scott |
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Ambros Mathier Snakekeeper


 Number of posts: 74 Age: 32 Location: Switzerland/ZH Points: 698 Registration date: 2010-09-17
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Wed 30 Mar - 19:03 | |
| | Scott Eipper wrote: | The spots that are shown are present to some extent in many Australian elapids, not pigmented but from the fangs repeatedly penetrating through the bottom jaw partially.
Cheers, Scott |
Check this link. I think this is what Scott means. http://www.venomland.net/t3182-holes-in-lower-jaw
Regards Ambros |
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Mats Jonsson Snakecharmer


 Number of posts: 144 Age: 45 Location: sweden Points: 466 Registration date: 2011-08-04
 | Subject: Re: False 'eyes' on a krait? Fri 19 Aug - 7:29 | |
| Hi! I can only see 1 small pic and its not possible to enlarge, i get directed to a different website..? Ist it possible its the lymphnodes you see? sorry if im way out here but I cant see much on the pic. reg Mats |
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