I can see 22 goods eggs, I think two or three are hidden under the others eggs.
This is the first eggs for this female.





the father

these snakes are on nmy wanted list!!!congrats!!!!

Congrats. The father looks really nice, I'm waiting for pics of mother.

Very nice! I hope that all will hatched. I´ve bred this ssp. several times in the past, I hope you will get a lot of realy nice offsprings. M. lebetina is one of my favorite Vipers all the years. Personaly I´m waiting for a clutch from my M.l.lebetina from Cyprus.
Fingercrossing for yours!

Peter

16 babies are born, I wait the first shed for taking better pictures.

What a little beauties ! You must be lucky.

Congratulations! Very fast hatch! My has need around normaly between 55-60 days. Wich Temp. you has use for incubaion?

between 28°C and 29°C and you?

the youngs are born last sunday 11.07.2010

I incubate them with around 27-29°C with a night drop of 3°C on Vermiculite, 70-80% hum.
Not realy a other way like yours!
I have the experience, that the are larger when the hatch and accept better food. But in the case of the Nura Tau, I have never had problems with feeding. Only the M.l.lebetina´s are sometimes a little bit harder to bring them on food.

I read in a publication (I do not know any more which now) that it there ace of the cases of Macrovipera which are practically ovoviviparous. Only a few days of incubations.
the locality would be the greatest factor, but I have to forget of which ssp it is question.

Real ovviviparous? I don´t belive that. I know this articles, some has expect that ,,South- Russian´´ lebetinas are live bearing. In other publications the has wrote also from Cyprus. I have breed lebetinas from a lot of origins ( Turkey, Kasachstan, Usbekistan,Cyprus and from Armenia) no one was ovoviviparous.
But a fried of mine from Austria tell´s me, that he had a case of a incubation time of around 14 days ( I don´t remeber what ssp. but it can be only turanica Nura Tau or M.l.obtusa from Turkey he has breed only with this both ssp.)! When you think on Pseudocerastes fieldi you will find also such short times, but also longer times. I don´t know what the reason for this. Maby in some popoulations it is very good to have such a short incubation periode, but why in our Vivarians? Or is it a changing factor on the Climate? Maby a hot and dry spring time is the result of such an short time? Not enought moistrure for a long incubation periode?

not really ovoviviparous but on the way of this.
I say only I have read, I trying don't forgot for searching this paper and I give you the references.
I have not "good" idea why some specimens have a so short period of incubation.

sorry for my english, I hope you understand me.

Hi, yes no Problem! My is not so good like yours too ;-).
I know this papers, and I gave my answers not to your coment, only for the coments in the papers! I know them very well. I have them. There was a little bit confusion on this for manny years. Sientists are good taxonomists, but when the have all there knowing about a species only on dead snakes, the can´t say annything about the reprodution! The only way is, to breed them! But after the breeding of M.l.lebetina from U. Lauten and W.J. Wiedl the case of ovoviviparopus in M.l.lebetina was clear. I aske some friend from Russia about there experiences within M.l.ssp. from dif. Locations in former UDSSR. But, the all says - all lay eggs! But an other intressting fact was, that the told me about a max lenght of more than 2 Meters from ,,M.l.obtusa´´ from Armenia! I´m very intressed to see such a big lebetina! But- unfortunly - it was not catched! I know this from my experiences in fishing (the biggest fishes are never catched;-)

PS.:; Hope to see some of you turanicas in Hamm! Maby I go ,,in Love with them the next time´´

You can give me the name of this paper please? I have search in my "library" and I don't have found this.
And how you say, nothing worth your own experiences.

Unfortunaley this years I dont think coming in Houten or hamm.

Ok, I will look for them. But it takes some time! I have to search for them in my Paperwork store.

Here we are.
The first reference are:

JOGER.U. (1984): The venomous snakes of the middle east. Beihefte zum Tübinger Atlas des Vorderen Orients, Reihe A (Naturwissenschaften)

and one other are:

Osenegg,K. (1989): Die Amphibien und Reptilien der Insel Zypern. Diploma thesis, University of Bonn.

There are some more, I´m sure. But this are the first what I´ve found.

Another one is:

RADSPIELER,C. & M. SCHWEIGER (1989): Die Levanteotter Daboia (Synonym Vipera) lebetina (LINNAEUS, 1758). Teil I: Taxonomische und ökologische Betrachtungen. herpetofauna II (62): 29-34.

Let me know, what do you have found.

Excuse me for interrupting here in this Thread, but Congratulations Mr. Villard. By the way, I think both your and Mr. Van Issem's english is just fine. I have no problem understanding what is being said. This is a good discussion. Thank you- to you both- for posting your comments in english. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .

Thanks Mr. Davidson! My Shool english wasn´t so good, but when we are want to get anny information about venomous snakes around the world, we have to learn it. Becvause, the most of the Literature is now in english language!
Reading is much better/easyer then writing! Just for me....

You're most welcome, Mr. Van Issem. I too took a german language course back in high school (many years ago, now) specifically because of the outstanding german Herpetologists Heinz Wermuth and Robert Mertens (among others) and publications. I'm certain that your english is far superior to my german( or french) which is why I appreciate the effort that is made to communicate in english. By the way, Thank you for the references that you cited. Mr. Villard, again, please excuse this off topic conversation on your Thread.