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Christian Moisander
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PostSubject: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Sun 27 Apr - 20:55

In 2006 my passion for this species was renewed, thanks to a litter of 14 which had two remarkable babies in it.
One was black & white, the other one black & yellow. Neither of the parents had any black on them.

The b/w male, or "0601", developed into black and green by the time he was 1 year old, and he's absolutely stunning.




The female, or "0602", first shown recently after birth. The second shot was taken today.
Her tail-end leans nicely towards turqoise, and her belly is also turqoise with black mottling.





I paired the mother of the above with a different male later that year. The male has some black scales in him.
Here's the happy couple...


In 2007 they produced a litter of 12, among which were 1.1 heavily black babies.
First is the male, or "0701".


And this is the female, or "0702". I really love the arrowhead-pattern on her head. I assume she will get more green with age.
She also has quite even banding.




Hopefully these individuals will produce more interesting babies in the years to come.
Hope you guys enjoyed the pics Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Sun 27 Apr - 21:10

you bet i enjoyed the pics!
i have such a big space in my heart for Atheris... i have never had some, ever... but as soon as i can finish our out-door viper area, thats about the time to get my hands on some african bushviper.. your picture, especially the black offspring are just stunning...

thanks a lot to share them with us!



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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Mon 28 Apr - 0:11

Hi

Very nice Picture of an Interested Viper. Smile

Thanks to share this really nice Fotos with us.

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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Mon 28 Apr - 1:20

Absolutely stunning!! Do you know the locality of the orange one? The green one looks like Ugandan??
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Mon 28 Apr - 15:42

Glad to hear you guys liked the photos. Thank you for the compliments.

I, too, have pretty much lost my heart to Atheris. I would really like to get more squamigera in the future.
I'm in a dire need of finding a specimen that is solid red...

I'm sorry Gavin, I have no idea of the origin of those you mentioned. At the moment all my squamigeras are CBB, and my first ones came from Swedish breeder years ago. I don't know how many generations of captive breeding resulted in the adults you asked about...
I have seen one or two photos of A. squamigera from Congo, I think, which had much less black but similar pattern as my babies. I've thought that perhaps these guys have some Congo blood in them. Of course I can't be sure, maybe the different localities have been mixed somewhere down the road.

The male does look a bit like Ugandan. I'm not sure how much variation there is in Ugandan squamigera, but I've heard from a US importer that they'd pretty much look alike.
I had one Ugandan male for quite some time, but unfortunately the female I tried to breed him with bit him, which resulted in paralysis halfway down his body. Unfortunately he never recovered, and subsequently died.
Here he is, in times before the accident;
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Mon 28 Apr - 16:42

Christian: Those black ones are amazing. Let me know if you have anyone's for sale. I'll buy a pair without hesitating

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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Tue 29 Apr - 7:23

Thank you very much. I'll be sure to let you too know if and when I get many enough to sell.
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Tue 13 May - 22:45

Oh my! Seeing all of those photos in one place is VERY NICE, Christian! Surely you now have enough of those guys to send at least one to the states for me! Laughing Come on, you know I'm your biggest fan! Congrats and I hope that this season goes well for you, my friend.

My semi-paralyzed female is actually acting gravid and has been off of food for about eight weeks now. I paired her up very early this year just to see if the male would react at all to her and he jumped on her immediately. While not hopeful of the outcome there, I am curious at least. My blackish female was recently separated from my blue male and she is refusing food already, so she at least thinks that she's gravid. We'll have to see the reality of it, though. I recently got a nice red and gold banded male that I'll hook her up with if this breeding doesnt take. Anyway, that's what's going on here. I'll post some pics soon.

I hope to see fresh baby pics from you sometime in the near future!

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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Tue 13 May - 23:25

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The male does look a bit like Ugandan. I'm not sure how much variation there is in Ugandan squamigera, but I've heard from a US importer that they'd pretty much look alike.
I had one Ugandan male for quite some time, but unfortunately the female I tried to breed him with bit him, which resulted in paralysis halfway down his body. Unfortunately he never recovered, and subsequently died.
Here he is, in times before the accident;


In the past Norbert Plogmann, a guy many of you know I assume, often used to offer Atheris squamiger from Kongo. This specimens we're often green coloured and some looked a lot like your male.
Don't know much about localities and stuff concerning Atheris species, but it might be interesting to you.

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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Wed 14 May - 3:30

Christian: Are you expecting any offspring this year?? If so, you can send some more to Sweden. Just tell me how much i have to pay for them!!

And by the way, Totte doesn't need any so i can take his wanted snakes too!!! Twisted Evil Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Wed 14 May - 5:20

Thank you for the kind words, everyone.
So glad to see there's a fanbase for these nice snakes Very Happy

Derek, I'm glad your paralyzed female is still in the picture. Would be nice if she would in fact give birth eventually.
Knowing you, I'm sure your females will produce some outstanding babies people would kill for Laughing
All the best with the black 'n blue combo as well. Be sure to keep us posted, I for one can't wait to see the outcome...

Jelmer, thank you for that information. I must admit that I am not familiar with Mr. Plogmann. Does he still offer squamigera?
That was an interesting piece of information anyway.
I am very interested in combining all the possible colors of squamigera, but on the other hand I'd love to set up several locality-specific groups as well. Hope to see that happen some day...

Sonny, I had one female drop nine unfertilized eggs and three babies, which I am holding back for now. I still have two females that are a bit uncertain if they'll produce or not - I guess I'll have to wait and see. They appear gravid, but I'm slightly sceptical for some reason.
The mother of both litters containing black babies is the other one that appears gravid, but she copulated with a mainly orange male, so I don't think any black babies are to be expected this year.
I will keep you posted, as well as everyone else who have expressed interest in this line.
I'm not sure if Totte would share your thoughts on that one! Laughing

Also, my main man Derek has first dibs and his friend is second on the line, so everyone else who's interested in potential offspring, please take a number, hehe Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Wed 14 May - 5:24

Christian: Dont listen to Sonny. He is full of sh*t Twisted Evil Laughing
You just let me know when you have some babies and i'll make sure that Sonny is out of the way lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Wed 14 May - 5:38

You Swedes are funny guys, you really are Laughing
Maybe I should offer some babies to the highest bidder or something... Or maybe things should be settled in a 'Fight Club' - fashion, hehee.

Will you guys try to make it to the next Expo Stockholm? A bit off topic, this one, but hopefully no-one takes offense.
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Wed 14 May - 5:45

Christian: I am way smaller then Sonny. But he is fatter then me so i will outrun him if we have to settle it in "Fight Club" fashion. Laughing

Dont really know if i will be there. But i'll try. Perhaps i can spend a weekend at Sonny's place.
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Thu 15 May - 2:32

Christian, isn't it funny how most of the time with squams you are uncertain that they're gravid until they actually drop them? I've given up and written them off before and they'll drop babies the next week. They seem to enjoy your uncertainty and they like to confuse you and play with your mind! I know these python guys who palpate their snakes and they know exactly how many eggs she's going to lay and even when she will do it. Dang, I feel like an idiot then! I've got baby cages ready and have no idea if I will even need them! scratch

Thanks for the support and thoughts, man! I ordered your Ferrari today--you wanted the red six-speed manual, right? Wink It will be nice to finally have some of my own squam babies again soon....oops, hope I didn't just jinx myself. Here's a quick and bad pic of my new male that's in quarantine:



I was very pleased, but he should look even better once he sheds out.

Hey, I want to watch Sonny and Totte go at it. I've got $5 on Sonny. Just kidding, guys, just kidding! If Christian is kind enough to spread his wealth with those beautiful squams, I promise to spread some nice resulting offspring around.
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Thu 15 May - 2:54

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Jelmer, thank you for that information. I must admit that I am not familiar with Mr. Plogmann. Does he still offer squamigera?
That was an interesting piece of information anyway.


No as far as I know he doesn't.

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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Thu 15 May - 3:42

Totte Meilstrup wrote:
Christian: I am way smaller then Sonny. But he is fatter then me so i will outrun him if we have to settle it in "Fight Club" fashion. Laughing

Dont really know if i will be there. But i'll try. Perhaps i can spend a weekend at Sonny's place.


You can run but you cant hide my LITTLE friend!!! Twisted Evil
Otherwise, somebody might be interested to trade, i've got a T. macrops couple if you want to play rough!! cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Thu 15 May - 14:26

Derek: Let me save you the trouble. If Sonny catches me I will not stand a fighting chance. But as I said, I am faster and I could outrun him.
So you can give me the $5 right away. Cause he aint going to catch me Laughing

Sonny: I know I can run. Fast as hell to Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Thu 15 May - 14:39

lol!
A new kind of sport is born at VenomLand.
Swedish Wrestling

Will you use such funny masks?

Quelle Wikipedia
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Thu 15 May - 14:43

Jörg: I have seen Sonny's ugly face. He could use a mask Laughing


Just so people dont get the wrong idea. Me and Sonny are good friends and always talk like this
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Thu 15 May - 16:13

hahahahaha

i hope we will see all of your swedish faces asap....
we have made extra space for them.....


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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Fri 16 May - 4:55

Jörg Porstmann wrote:
lol!
A new kind of sport is born at VenomLand.
Swedish Wrestling

Will you use such funny masks?

Quelle Wikipedia


Jörg: Totte can't use such a large mask... He's a small little bastard and he will get lost in it!!! Laughing

Mario: As i said... Totte is pretty small so he don't need that extra place, otherwise everyone here will have to magnify the pic of him!! Razz

Enough fooling around... As Totte said, we are very good friends with the same interests as me.

I will try to share some pics of me... If i can find any!! Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Fri 16 May - 4:58

Christian Moisander wrote:

Will you guys try to make it to the next Expo Stockholm? A bit off topic, this one, but hopefully no-one takes offense.


I will make it to Stockholm Christian, hope to meet you there!
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PostSubject: Re: Few of my treasured A. squamigera   Wed 28 May - 6:12

Hehe, Swedish wrestling...
It's nice to see some humor here as well, along with the knowledge. I like the fact that the atmosphere is not too rigid.
Anyways, I'll do my best to get to Stockholm, so hope to see you there.

Thank you for letting me know Jelmer. That means one less person I could ask for a red female.

I know what you mean Derek. I'm never really able to tell for sure if there will be babies.
The mother of blacks appeared gravid again, but just last week she took a monstrous, ginormous crap, and she doesn't appear that gravid anymore. Well, she does deserve a break.
Sure you have the right address to ship the Ferrari to? It sounds just the way I wanted it Laughing
That male of yours is sweet. Can't wait to see what your squams will eventually produce...
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