Unbelievable!

What exactly, Mr. Montejo, has the removal of venom glands in healthy snakes to deal with medically indicated masectomy or emergency blood transfusions?

Very good question Peter, if you study the second part of the statement you may understand.

Dr. Rainer Fesser has explained that there are two sides to every subject, i believe even more perhaps three, four or more absolute scientific truths.

It is best you agree with me that a reptile born in captivity is an agricultural product, just like any other animal produced to serve mankind in the way that he (Human) sees fit.

ill be more generous with my examples.

a) Wild feral pigs domesticated for human consumption and science, pigs anatomy is very close to humans.

b) Wild freedom loving horses broken and domesticated for human use and service even in a circus.

c) Wild freedom loving dogs broken and domesticated for human use and service even in a circus.



Peter Zurcher wrote: What exactly, Mr. Montejo, has the removal of venom glands in healthy snakes to deal with medically indicated masectomy or emergency blood transfusions?

im not a scientist nor a surgeon so i cant comment on the procedure of venom gland removal and it's efficacy, perhaps a DVM can. Both are medical procedures .

Addtl. if you don't agree with me that an animal born in captivity is produced to serve man , than i think it is unthinkable to take away it's freedom (akin to venom gland removal) and put it in a cage for your pleasure, or as in the case of a zoo to profit from it's freedom .

Accept it as robust debate and nothing more, .

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDoQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCaptivity_(animal)&ei=KNzwTbTAHuj20gGFv7CbBA&usg=AFQjCNGAHBvnoqe2YnBMlPE2ql5TwPNjKQ


Best regards ,

Albert.

Mr Montejo, it is impossible to debate with You.
Always when You have no arguments You simply put something completely unrelated into the debate, most of the time as needless as wrong. You then are again refuted and the game repeats again and again until You finally post a link to Wikipedia which also has nothing useful to add to the discussion.
It is like discussing with a little child.

Regards,
Guenter

LULz's.... Agent provacatuer ?, well i must admit new word for me ,
so i google it, and under Google images .

Thanks , i wish !!!

Best regards , Albert.

It shouldn't really make any difference if a snake is a harmless colubrid, an intact venomous snake or one that has been mutilated in order to make it "safe"... a good snakeman should be striving to avoid being bitten, especially if they claim to be a "professional".

I have been keeping snakes for over 40 years and working with venomous since the 80's and I can still count on one hand the number of harmless / mildly venomous bites I have received and with the other hand, the number "real" venomous bites ... bear in mind that as a professional Herpetologist working for a venom research unit, I am handling more intact, venomous snakes than the majority of professional "snakemen". Most UK Zoos have zero handling policies these days. Given the tens of thousands of hours handling I have racked up, the ratio of bites I have received is very low.

In regards to venomoids, I have only ever handled one, a Thai Cobra that was on display in Liverpool Museum sometime in the late 90's. I was asked by the museum Staff if I could go down and help them with this snake as it had not shed properly. I handled the snake in the same gentle but safe way I would with any of the specimens at work.

I accept that there are rare situations were some people could justify the need for a venomoid snake... public museums, film work and possibly the "testing" of hexarmor gloves (something else I don't own or use as I just can't work in gloves, especially as I need to feel what I am doing while extracting venom).

I believe that there are some people out there that use venomoid snakes in public demonstrations and actually allow the snakes to bite them! This might impress some gullible members of the public but for anyone who understands that these once dangerous snakes have been mutilated in order to render them harmless, this is about as impressive as seeing a magician saw a woman in half on stage... everyone knows he didn't really cut her in half, it was a con trick..... the person hasn't "survived" the bite of a venomous snake because it is no longer venomous.... so really what's the point of of it all?

It would be a totally different issue if we were talking about the self immunisation guys, Bill Haast being the most famous example.... he really did "survive" countless venomous snake bites, no trickery involved there!

When you are working with real venomous snakes rather than "deactivated" venomoids (and your not an SI'er) you do tend to consider the risks more and always try and work in a safe manner!