April Mandel Snakecharmer


 Number of posts: 117 Age: 61 Location: Eastern USA Points: 444 Registration date: 2011-04-23
 | Subject: popeiorum, stejnegeri Sun 8 May - 2:23 | |
| These were purchased in the 1980's as T. popeorum and T. stejnegeri. They were kept together for a week or so, and an accidental breeding resulted.   |
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Peter van Issem Snakemaster


 Number of posts: 436 Age: 44 Location: GERMANY Points: 1543 Registration date: 2009-03-08
 | Subject: Re: popeiorum, stejnegeri Sun 8 May - 2:35 | |
| Hi April, the female on the picture looks for me not like an P.popeiorum or an V. stejnegeri. For me the female is an C. macrops, typical color, typical eyes, typical tail coloration. The male? Not to see on this pic. Did you have better ones? But some of the males from P. fucata has such withish blotches on theire back. Sometimes I have seen them in juv. macrops too. The juv. on the picture looks strange for macrops, but matched for fucata. This year I have actually 16 offsprings from fucata, and some of them looks identical to your offspring. |
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April Mandel Snakecharmer


 Number of posts: 117 Age: 61 Location: Eastern USA Points: 444 Registration date: 2011-04-23
 | Subject: Re: popeiorum, stejnegeri Sun 8 May - 3:27 | |
| These specimens were obtained in the early-mid 1980's, a time when all Asian green tree vipers were Trimeresurus and the tree vipers from Central and South America were Bothrops. The unicolor Asian green tree vipers were mostly popeorum, stejnegeri, and albolabris. Macrops and fucata are unknown to me, when was the nomenclature revised to include them? Were they known in the mid 80's? It's very possible that everything you say is correct. I'm very much aware that my knowledge of current nomenclature is terribly out of date, which is the reason I clearly state when the photo was taken or specimens obtained. Perhaps these additional photos can help. The first was sold to me as T.popeorum, the next, T. stejnegeri, and then two more of the offspring.     |
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Peter Zürcher Admin


 Number of posts: 870 Age: 60 Location: Carinthia, Austria Points: 2886 Registration date: 2008-03-06
 | Subject: Re: popeiorum, stejnegeri Sun 8 May - 3:36 | |
| Cryptelytrops macrops (Kramer 1977) Popeia fucata (Vogel, David & Pauwels 2004)
Looks like a C. macrops to me too.
The paper by Malhotra & Thorpe (2004) leading to the split off of the "Trimeresurus-group" http://pages.bangor.ac.uk/~bss024/pdfs/2004/Malhotra%20MPE%202004.pdf
regards Peter _________________ Cobras - breathtaking beauties!
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April Mandel Snakecharmer


 Number of posts: 117 Age: 61 Location: Eastern USA Points: 444 Registration date: 2011-04-23
 | Subject: Re: popeiorum, stejnegeri Sun 8 May - 3:49 | |
| Does anyone have photos of popeorum and stejnegeri? I'd like to see what they look like. |
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Peter Zürcher Admin


 Number of posts: 870 Age: 60 Location: Carinthia, Austria Points: 2886 Registration date: 2008-03-06
 | Subject: Re: popeiorum, stejnegeri Sun 8 May - 3:52 | |
| Viridovipera stejnegeri http://www.google.at/search?q=Viridovipera%20stejnegeri&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=de&tab=wi&biw=1184&bih=606 and http://reptile-database.reptarium.cz/species.php?genus=Viridovipera&species=stejnegeri&search_param=%28%28species%3D%27stejnegeri%27%29%29
Popeia popeiorum http://www.google.at/search?q=Popeia%20popeiorum&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=de&tab=wi&biw=1184&bih=606 _________________ Cobras - breathtaking beauties!
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